Advocates of the presuppositional approach to christian apologetics have long hailed the debate between greg bahnsen the late christian theologian and apologist, noted for his achievements in presuppositional apologetics and development of theonomya view of the law for christians, pictured left and gordon stein the late secularist noted for his links to free inquiry among. In 1985 the university of california at irvine hosted a public debate between philosopher greg bahnsen and atheist gordon stein on the topic does god exist. Gordon stein the classic debate between christian, greg bahnsen, and atheist, gordon stein. Gordon stein held at the university of california irvine in 1985. How bahnsen gives away the farm in his debate with gordon stein. Covenant media foundation has distributed over 100,000 audio files and hundreds of books all over the united states and the world. Whatever we may say about the debate genre, there is a place for. Greg bahnsen study archive the preterist archive of. Bahnsen is perhaps best known for his debates with such leading atheists as george h. Greg bahnsen atheism is logically impossible youtube. In 1985, the christian apologist greg bahnsen and the atheist gordon stein had a debate at the university of california, irvine regarding the positions of atheism and theism. Steins remark that the question of the existence of god is answered in the same way as any other factual question, mistakenly reduces the theistic question to.
The topic of proving gods existence has been discussed and analyzed many times. In the correspondence that followed the debate between stein and bahnsen, bahnsen again showed stein that his atheistic worldview could not even allow him to make since out of balancing his checkbook. Bahnsens best known debate is the the one which occurred with dr. Greg bahnsen and gordon stein that occurred back in 1985. Stein is a man of intelligence, and thats not a question in this debate.
I spent a little while listening to bits and pieces of them, and they look. Bahnsen uses the transcendental argument for gods existence tag, for which stein has no response. After this, his degree advisor, john hospers, asked him why he had taken all of them in one week. Fwiw, i owe an eternal debt of gratitude to greg bahnsen because his debate with gordon stein was essential to my continued faith in god. For those not familiar with the transcendental argument for the existence of god or greg bahnsen, this should be a good introduction here is the transcript of the debate enjoy. Scott oliphant by jospeh minich 2014 aquinas reconsidered part 1, part 2, part 3, by richard muller. Stein lost the debate before it started not because of dr. Bahnsens debate material is quite goodi try to listen to the debate with stein, or read the transcript, at least once a year. All individual, downloadable mp3s by bahnsen on apologetics have been moved to the apologetics category. Bahnsen vs stein debate transcript leave a reply cancel reply. The debate with stein marked one of the earliest uses of a transcendental argument for the. Introductory remarks about the nature of the debate 1.
Presuppositionalism tautology wiki fandom powered by wikia. Gordon stein would formally debate pastor and philosopher dr. Hospers told him he was the first student he had ever advised who had done this. Bahnsen september 17, 1948 december 11, 1995 was an american calvinist philosopher, apologist, and debater. But this debate would go quite differently than most. In particular, the debate centers around the laws of logic, which they both declare that they believe. If anyone would like to defend this citation, or provide a link to an actual refutation of tag by stein, please do so.
The great debate as it has been dubbed is the nowfamous interaction between dr. Cmf is dedicated to continue offering our friends the finest in biblical instruction and training for years to come, please tell your friends about us. Recently, i listened to the debate and thought i would share my impressions here. His debate with atheist gordon stein in 1985 is famous in calvinist circles. Richard howe, discuss apologetic methodology, the bahnsenstein and bahnsensproul debates, calvinism, islam, justification, sola scriptura, roman catholicism, the attributes of god, theology, persecution and much more free video.
His scholarly contributions to apologetics are by far his most important, and it is. Rather than merely presenting various scientific and historical evidences for god, dr. The greg bahnsengordon stein debate was recorded and transcribed and was dubbed. The great debate university of southern mississippi. Greg bahnsens debate with gordon stein has become something of a legend in our circles. Can you tell us about the progress of christ college in virginia. This debate on the does god exist was held at university of california, irvine on february 11. Education without god as its premise, law which does not presuppose god and rest on his law, a civil order which does not derive all authority from god, or a family whose foundation is not gods word, is. In the debate with stein, bahnsen used the transcendental argument for the existence of god tag, which stein later conceded he had been unprepared for but to which he subsequently developed a. The audio and the debate transcript in pdf format is available. I have heard of bahnsen but really know nothing about him other than he is a reformed brother in christ. This debate on the does god exist was held at university of california, irvine on february 11, 1985.
Bahnsen was once described as the man atheists fear most1 because of the controversy surrounding the bahnsenmartin debate, which was. I would not pretend to hold my own in a discussion with him in the empirical details of his. Bahnsen, with whom i have some very minor nonessential theological disagreements, was brilliant. This set includes 2 mp3s and one transcript pdf remastered audio from the original 1985 recordings the audio is much clearer of this truly classic formal. You can read this, and other ice published books, free in pdf here. He was a minister in the orthodox presbyterian church and a fulltime scholar in residence for the southern california center for christian studies scccs. Auburn avenue pastors conference special how to order. You will read at assigned times pages 1 76, as well as 163174. Bahnsen was particularly known for his christian presuppositional apologetics in debates with atheists, presuppositional apologists will frequently ask their debate opponents the foundationsrationale of their various. Gordon stein debated this question at the university of this debate has influenced a large number of people. To the extent that this fact stems from fear, or from a misunderstanding of presuppositionalism no point of contact, we should be ashamed. Gordon stein at the university of california, irvine, 1985 segment one i. Bahnsen september 17, 1948 december 11, 1995 was an american calvinist.
He is also considered a contributor to the field of christian apologetics, as he popularized the presuppositional. I dont know anything about the debate between the two gentlemen. The topic was does god exist never since then have we witnessed such a masterful presentation of presuppositional apologetics. I was in your greek class the first semester you taught, you may or may not remember me. The fact that so many are here this evening is an indication of some at least some degree of interest audience laughing in the subject matter to be handled. Generally speaking, a resource is eligible for inclusion in the catalogue if either a it directly interacts with van tils writings or b it discusses some distinctive element of van tils thought e. In the debate with stein, bahnsen used the transcendental argument for the existence of god tag, which stein later conceded he had been unprepared for but to which he subsequently developed a reply. His logic was solid and he remained onpoint, always returning dr. Stein may 29, 2014 by andy naselli ive listened to this debate over and over and over, and it doesnt get old. Greg bahnsen atheism is logically impossible delphos g. Defining terms the argument is for christian theism it is necessary at the outset of our debate to define our terms.
Bahnsen s reputation as the debator atheists fear most. This set includes 2 mp3s and one transcript pdf remastered audio from the original 1985 recordings the audio is much clearer of this truly classic formal debate at usc, irvine campus featuring drs. Bahnsen used the transcendental argument for the existence of god that in the end, stein walked and talked like a broken man. Like many debates, the two sides do not end up on opposite sides of the question in any neat fashion. Bahnsen advances the world class example of the transcendental argument for christian theism. In 1985 a popular debate on this subject was held between. Descargue como pdf, txt o lea en linea desde scribd. Gordon stein held at the university of california irvine in hear how hard. Greg bahnsen and gordon stein that occurred back in. House divided, the break up of dispensational theology. On saturday night i discovered the greg bahnsen channel on youtube, which has five video lectures in 32 parts and two audio debates in 20 parts. Greg bahnsen s debate with gordon stein has become something of a legend in our circles. New apologetics web series with greg bahnsen, phd answers in. We must admit that it has been rare for a presuppositionalist to actually debate an unbeliever.
Gordon stein debated this question at the university of california irvin campus in. In the first crossexamination, bahnsen asked stein whether the laws. The debate with stein marked one of the earliest uses of a transcendental argument for the existence of god tag. I have heard from more people about the impact the bahnsenstein debate had on them than any other part of his recorded legacy. The man atheists feared the most life, mike robinson, prolific author and respected apologist at applied presuppositional press, paints a preliminary portrait of the life of bahnsen. The greg bahnsen gordon stein debate was recorded and transcribed and was dubbed the great debate. Stein to the premise he was either avoiding or abusing.
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